[paul mason]

I am a 49 year old white male. Have worked out continous since 16, have always eaten well, taken suppliments (vitamins, minerals) since 30 ( i now take a bout 60 pills a day). I look in my mid 30's. I have pretty good genetics tho. Full head of hair. All this info just to qualify my issue, which began at about 44...... ED.

I cound not get an erection. Tryed Viagra, it worked for the erection mechanics, but not for desire, which was gone. 50 mg worked, but i turned red as a beet in the face, and headache. Plus do not like takin meds.

All those other 60 pills a day of suppliments did nothing for my ED.

Also, i have a little high blood pressure 140 over 88, sometimes 155. I beleive this is due to my intake of beer (lots, daily!), and this makes me not sleep well. Also, I work 7 to 4, then have a corpration I wone that i work till mayube 7 or 8 PM, and weekends. Busy.

Ok, my story: Started researching natural ED cures. Not much luck for me in the begining. L-Arginine worked a little at 20 grams, but would give me only a 20 to 30% erection at most. I then started buying and trying every single ingredient that was natural and had even one claim as libido or ED help. after about two years of this, not much luck. Some of them seemed to help, but not much. Then I found an herb concentrate, it worked somewhat, a little more than L- Arginine, but it made my libido at least reappear somewhat. But this has to be "cycled", 10 days on 5 days off. I did not like that, and it was expensive, and not really a natural product one would ingest daily.

i continued my reasearch and found a high dose of a regular vitamin, which had about the same result as the concentrated herb, and much cheaper and no cycling. Ok this is gettin long, i am getting to the point.

I then found another suppliment that worked a little, so is started taking both. Pretty good results, but no fully, just marginally better.

Then I read one arcticle in a forum of a viamin, in a modified form (lets call it MV), that helped a woman's libido, so , like I always do I gought a bottle. This happened about the time I went on a vacation to Oraldo.We all love Orlando, we sleep late, 12 hours a day, and then hit the roller coasters, a blast! I starting taking this new MV about this time. Wow! partial erections all day! Then full erections all night, then sex three or four times a day while on vaction, NO VIAGRA! Wife told me I must have turned on a switch.

Then I saw a clinical trial on another suppliment that helped ED. Tried it and it worked.

I found about 6 that work on their own, not together, so now I am takin them all together. I walk around almost always with a partial erection. I have full erections in my sleep, every night. I can have an erection on demand, anytime. Sex two or three times a day, no problem.

This is the honest truth. I am just blown away that these natural suppliments work! Been about three months on all of them, no weakening.

Ok,my points:

1. This is anecdotal (spelling?). Will it work on others ( it works for one freind of mine, 50 yo)?
2. Does it work for me because I also take the 60 other vitamins, minerals, aminos?
3. Does it work for me becasue I have gennerally taking good care of myself?
4. Does it work for me only because the high beer intake robs me of nutrients and these put them
back?
5. Could I market this by having the ingredeints put in a capsule form in one bottle instead of the 6
bottles.
6.The six along with a few nutients that I read are required for the reactions would require about 6
to 8 capsules, twice a day, about 16 daily. Would men be willing to take that many pills?

Any comments??

[Dog Boy]

Hi

I to over the years have tried many different vitamins and minerals and none have worked, so I would be really intrested to know what you are taking.

[paul mason]

the 5 or 6 i found work for me i am going to have them manufactured by a major suppliment maker, and give them away to males with ED, and see how they work. I found it's the amount and type of suppliment that worked for me. For instance calcium is common in calcium carbonate, but citrate works better. I am looking forresearchers who have interest in it. I went from no libido, no erections, to be able to have good sex, 5 times a day if i want. I dont usually, but on weekends its three a day.

[jonathandavid]

can you share the names of what worked for you or, if that's against the rules here, the ingredients they used?

[curious273]

>>> 1. This is anecdotal (spelling?). Will it work on others ( it works for one freind of mine, 50 yo)?
>>> 2. Does it work for me because I also take the 60 other vitamins, minerals, aminos?

It would seem to me that there is a decent chance that one or more of the other items you're taking may be contributing to the effectiveness of the others. But if it worked for your friend, who presumably isn't taking all that other stuff, that's encouraging. Yes, you need a bigger sample, even for better anecdotal evidence (short of a true double-blind study). But to address your second question, you want to find some guys to try it who aren't currently taking *any* other supplements and see if they get response. If you had a mix of people taking nothing else and people taking some other things, that might provide useful information too.

>>> 4. Does it work for me only because the high beer intake robs me of nutrients and these put them back?

Well, you could try giving up beer for a month and seeing what happens!


>>> 6.The six along with a few nutients that I read are required for the reactions would require about 6 to 8 capsules, twice a day, about 16 daily. Would men be willing to take that many pills?

I imagine that would turn some people off, but I haven't a clue what percentage. But the other thing is, if you have to supply that much stuff, what would the cost be, and how many are willing to pay it?

Like others, I am curious about what these ingredients are. It sounds like you're trying to keep it a "secret formula" but you know, if you do market it, you're going to have to list the ingredients anyway. And I imagine any testers will want to know the ingredients rather than take a bunch of mystery pills.

So might I suggest that you post the ingredients and, for now, just keep the amounts of each confidential? That will still stop anyone from "scooping" you on your formula, but we could at least then talk more intelligently about some aspects of this, as some of us may have had experience with this ingredient or that and can put our two cents in on that basis as well.

[paul mason]

Well, i got a couple of bottles manufactered with my ingredients, and many others vitamins/minerals that theorectiacally support the others (all the b's, c, d, e, boron,etc.).

Yes, it is definitely secret right now, my formula. But I'm thinkin the cost should be less than $50 a month. But it;s a full spectrum formula, that I beleive not only will allow spontaneous erections, and all night hard-ons, but also improve your blood/cardio system, immune system, sleep, almost a panacea. I have not been sick in two years, I used to get sinus infections every three months. I sleep like a baby, the past I had trouble sleeping. My muscles are much stronger.

I have a 51 year old co worker, he has some ED, not full blown, but still can not get full erctions anytime. He is on testosterone, and will take a break form it to try my 15 day supply of my formula. He will get before and after blood profiles (testosterone, CRP, homocystein, HDL, LDL, Tri's,...). Problem, my main ingredient is not in it. They did not carry it, but they will my next bottle. Problem is, it's 10 pills twic dialy, so if you add in the others that did not have, it's up to 12 twice a day.

This may be too many for someone, not me, I take 60 to 70 pills a day.

Since my last writing, I have found another ingredient that supports my ed. Dont know if it's placebo, because I'm on the other six that work. The nights after I took this new one, I have a continous, all night erection, and was scared the next morning becasue I cound not urinate it was so hard. It also has a side effect that is not real unpleasant, I aculually like it, but some may not, so I question if i will add this to my formula.

Sorry, no hints on the ingredients, most have very little or no internet information, I, being an engineer, took different paths into research, and found these 7 that work for me.

I tell u, it is so nice have the throbing nocturnal (spelling?) erections. Satueday mornings, sex at 6 AM, 8 AM, and 10 AM while sleeping late. By the !) am one, it's not as hard, but still only about 30 seconds to 2 minutes for ejeculation. I am disappointed that the ejaculate is not more volume, and not shooting across the room. The concentrated herb i took worked for that, but gaian, it had to be cycled.

[paul mason]

hey, thanks for your post, agood information. Yes, quiting beer for a month would tell me something, but im an addict. My weakness is beer.

As for ingredients, yes they must be listed, but the good thing is that thee are many forms of vitamins, minerals, and aminos, the exact form does not have to be listed, and even if so, I would mix in at least three forms, and the amount of each form does not have to be listed.I am also working on patent for this, but ur right, I need more volunteers to try this at least 15 to 30 days. If anyone interested, please post email. I'm [moderator note: e-mail address has been removed].

It will be free to any volunteer, the bottles are from a reputable manufacturer, completely factory sealed.

[paul mason]

BS spam on the last post, please no one even go there

[paul mason]

OK, i got about 8 , now nine bottles together for a 51 yo freind a work,. He has ED and diabetes. He has been on my formula for a few days, and has had positive effects. Not as good as mine though. I always have night time and morning erections, he has not had any. But reports that his testicles are bigger and his penis is senitive to touch, even from the shower/water hitting it. He says he can have sex, but it's about a 75% hard on. Better than no sex he had before, but no home run.

So that is actually good news. I have three more suppliments that have worked for me, I gave him the additional first one today. If he has no improvent in a few days, I wil replace it with another suppliment, which is an exract of a natural food. It is faily cheap but was wanting to stay a way from extracts, I wanted minirerals, vitamins, aminos only.


I have another extract that worked from me also, it is very expensive, so it will be the last i try on him.
I am still full of sex at 50 now. Last Saturday, between 6 am and 2 PM, i had sex four times with the wife, all four were 100% bone hard. No prescriptions, just my natural supliments. I dont have to take them before sex, only once in the morning, one in the everning.

Problem is, this is about 16 pills twice a day. Bottom line 32 to 36 pills aday. Dont know if the gerneral public will do that. My test subject has reported no bad side effects.

Says he is sleeping better and has more energy after he gets off work. He is 6', about 280, so he is big. i figure if it works on him, it should wortk for 90 % of ED males. We shall see.

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